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was jesus a criminal or a saviour?
i have no denial that jesus existed. i just believe the stories surrounding him lead to a false idea that will only lead humanity down the wrong path. I was sitting on my ass watching something on the history channel the other day, and they were talking about the crucifixion and whatnot. i remembered being a little kid and performing the stages of the cross. or whatever it was called. then i thought, wait a minute.. this is a one sided story. the christians all beg for mercy and bullshit and say how badly the jews treated Jesus. but, wait.. wasn’t his cross adorned with a nice little plaque, stating INRI.. or, IESVS·NAZARENVS·REX·IVDÆORVM — meaning: “Jesus Nazarene, King of the Jews“.
yeah, that’s what i thought. come on people, stop lying to yourselves and your kids. jesus was a jew. get over it. FACTS:1, CHRISTIANS: 0
Next, our dear friend Pontius Pilate. Ah, Mr. Pilate. The blood on your hands, you are such an evil, evil man for killing Jesus. Wait, what? JESUS, that dude who brought on masses of Jews and rebellion? wasn’t he a criminal? From the Roman perspective, Jesus was a low life criminal, responsible for upsetting the masses and bringing forth headaches for the Roman government. Weren’t they the ones that gave us the foundation for most of our technology today? I think they were a pretty smart people. I mean, we idolize them all the time. The wondrous Romans! we make movies, honors, etc. Hell, even our currency has Roman inscriptions on it. What a contradiction.. In God We Trust, but also our dear friend E pluribus unum… Latin? wait. Wasn’t that a romance language? yep. Oh yeah, and that thing.. Democracy… hmmmmm. but we don’t really use it anyway.
ROMANS: 1, CHRISTIANS: 0 (but we already knew that)
Jesus was a jewish donkey riding, lying criminal. not a saviour. He rode in to town, heard about some story that the jews thought “the mighty one” would enter town on a donkey and bring wonderful things. well, all he really did was piss off the romans, and get himself killed.
I’m not saying he should have shut up about things, he saw how the government was being run, and saw the opression and whatnot. I’m all for rebellion and standing up for what you believe in. but seriously.. next time you show up, get some bullet proof glass and dont piss off the most powerful government before you have more than 12 followers, one of which is a liar.
Corrupt Government: 0, Jesus :1
So go for it Jesus! Rebel!
I still dont think your dad created everything in known existence. I think you were just an exremely good story teller, and you happened to enter a city full of very gullible people who needed something to believe in. hey, a crutch, havent i mentioned that before? Good job though. I really love these nutobs we have nowadays that think you flew up in the sky. Theyre fun to deal with. Seriously. youre still a criminal. and well, the romans saw that, and well… the whole cross thing. that kinda sucked, but what do you expect? they didnt have a gas chamber or electric chairs back then.
In all honesty, Jesus wasnt a bad guy. Neither were the romans. Neither are the Jews. They were all people in a time where humanity itself was still learning the essentials of running a functional system. Obviously now we know Religion isnt the only way, and Neither is an all powerful government. We need balance. Some people need a crutch. But it all ends with this: no one person should have all the power, while all people are in fact just that… human. we are all wrong in someone’s eyes. we are all perfect in someone elses. just depends on what you believe in.
No commentsCheers to the doctors, the scientists, the people up all night researching. Cheers to the REAL gods
This idea originally started as an argument I had with my mother. A little background first though:
I was originally raised a Roman Catholic, and I went to a Private Catholic School. I went to church every Wednesday with class, and I went to church every Sunday with family. I received a wonderful education, and I am very thankful that my parents spent good money to let me go there. The school had a science class and a Religion class. They kept the two separate, and for that, I couldn’t thank them more. Without that separation, I would not be who I am today.
My Sister was never baptized. My mother at that time in her life,chose not to, and when my sister was old enough to decide, my mother let her choose. She did not proceed with Baptism. She has remained, as far as I know an Agnostic, and when she was married, she then followed her husband’s beliefs. Together My sister and My brother-in-law could not conceive. They opted for In-vitro after many failed attempts, and even a miscarriage. The pregnancy was a success, until it was almost time. The boys (twins) were born 2 months early. and had to spend the first 3 months of life in a plastic dome filled with oxygen. One of them even had Lasik, otherwise he would be blind today.
They just passed their 3rd birthday, and are strong happy, healthy kids. I love them. My family Loves them. And now, my sister is pregnant again with one baby, who was also conceived in a test tube, and implanted via In-Vitro.
Years ago, after a nasty break up with an ex, and after years of problems financially, and after downfalls in my life, and after having to start from scratch, I leaned more towards the Atheism side of thing. I renounced my religion. It started after middle school, after i was no longer forced to go to church. Through high school, I became stronger in my convictions that there was/is no God. For a time, I said I was Agnostic, but even that faded. As I read more, and I saw the de-Evolution of people BECAUSE of their religious beliefs, I became stronger, and a more knowledgeable Atheist. This is where the argument with Mom comes in.
A few feeks ago, we were talking via IM:
Mom: Did i tell u Pat and I went to Mass sunday at Flagler.. nice church… u should think about it… baby due probably late July into August depends on how it goes
bEingdEvious: cool
bEingdEvious: yeah, im not going to church
bEingdEvious: sorry
Mom: did Kelly influence that choice
bEingdEvious: no, ive felt that way long before her
bEingdEvious: you know that
bEingdEvious: if anything, ive made her that way
Mom: thats terrible..we sacrificed a lot for your education and moral background..why would you have that attitude
bEingdEvious: the education was wonderful!
bEingdEvious: i just personally have developed a lot of qualms with religion as a whole
Mom: theres more to life than money, super cars and “things” i have been away from the church for too long and it felt good to be back..religion means different things to different people but you have to believe that if not for a higher source, Ashby and Carson might not have survived. All the odds were against them and even though they had the lastes medical technology, I believe they are here today because of other channels…
bEingdEvious: well thats fine if you believe that. i dont anymore :-/
bEingdEvious: i think science and human technology are the reason they’re here, and many other things are here
bEingdEvious: i cant put faith in something that says the earth is 6000 years old, when its proven fact that its billions of years old. i cant believe that
Mom: i am sorry u feel that way..what happened to give you these ideas. I have to go now, i am going to lay down before I go back to work. I dont feel very well . bye
bEingdEvious: mom
bEingdEvious: come on
bEingdEvious: dont get upset over this
bEingdEvious: you’ve known this for a long time
bEingdEvious: i got these ideas from seeing religion fail me on just about everything, and the only thing keeping religion alive is human ignorance
Mom: “religion” has not failed you..the situations u were in created your problems. i really need to go..ttyl, love ,mom
So you see. I am now seen as an Immoral degenerate because i don’t believe in God. Yesterday I read a post on a popular car forum that I go to.
“Friends,
Just to let you all know that my 3yr old son Ethan was rushed to ER last Saturday ~7AM due to cardiac arrest. For a moment, I saw my son DIED but through GOD, my wife was able save him by CPR. While my wife was trying to revive him by compressing the chest, I saw my son’s blank fixated stare up in the ceiling not breathing. I held his arm for pulse but found NONE. I saw him rolled up his dilated eyes and gradually close, my heart cried out loud inside, my heart crushed but try to keep my head ahead and focus on saving him. I knew then GOD was there, I saw his chest rised and breathed on. Paramedic assessed him, his condition was still unstable while his heart was still weak (<50bpm). In the ambulance, he was ~conscious but unresponsive. He got admitted to the hospital and was out last night. All findings were all normal except for a slight abnormalities on ECG (EKG). We suspect a seizure or could have been the SIDs if he wasn’t sleeping right on our bed. He will be in contact with specialist @ Lucile Packard in Stanford for more assessment. I am a certified 1st responder (4yrs ago) and my wife is a RN. My CPR training did nothing but made me stay CALM while I was on the phone with 911.
I encourage you all to take CPR classes because it will SAVE LIFE!!!! The paramedics will not guarantee reviving anyone in distress if they are not onsite in LESS THAN 4min.
I thank GOD for giving him back to me and my wife to cherish him. I ask for your prayers and support. “
Now, I truly feel for this man. I couldnt imagine a more horrible experience. But why didnt he credit the doctors and nurses that are helping his son in the hospital. Why cant he credit his WIFE that resuscitated their son. Why did he thank an invisible sky wizard that WAS NOT THERE. I don’t get this. I’m all for freedom of religion. If you need a crutch to get you through the day and make you think that someone is there helping you, the go for it. I shed those crutches years ago, and I can stand on my own.
I am writing this to thank the doctors, the nurses, the medical techs, the helicopter pilots, the ambulance drivers, the scientists in the labs at 5AM, the programmers who developed the software for the EKGs, the med students, the janitors that are washing the bed pans and moping YOUR blood off the floor. The people who invented HEPA filters, the men and women who toiled endlessly for some some unknown reason at the time.
Here’s to them.
- Dr. Friedrich Maass, Dr. George Crile, James Elam, Peter Safar, Leonard Scherlis,m and others for the invention of CPR.
- Augustus Waller, John Burden Sanderson, and Frederick Page for the EKG
- Dr. Edwards and Dr. Steptoe for In-Vitro
- Felino V. Cortez, Jr., William F. Niland, Owen S. Bamford, Dirk Ten Broeck, Gary Schroeder for Vapotherm and Respiratory tract therapy
- Linda Richards, the first female trained Nurse.
- The American Heart Association
- Dr. John Rock and Miriam Menkin for in vitro. They were the first to fertilize an egg outside the uterus years before others took the technology and made it actually work with Louise Brown and others.
- Please send me more people to add to this list that are the real gods. the people who actually made a difference. they deserve credit too.
Hank’s Cult
I don’t know where this came from, but HAH! props to the writer.
No commentsMARY: Hi! We’re here to invite you to come kiss Hank’s ass with us.
ME: Pardon me? What are you talking about? Who is Hank, and why would I want to kiss his ass?
JOHN: If you kiss Hank’s ass, he will give you a million dollars; and if you don’t, he will kick the shit out of you.
ME: What? Is this some sort of bizarre mob shake-down?
JOHN: Hank is a billionaire philanthropist. Hank built this town. Hank owns this town. He can do what ever he wants and what he wants is to give you a million dollars, but he can’t until you kiss his ass.
ME: That doesn’t make any sense. Why…
MARY: Who are you to question Hank’s gift? Don’t you want a million dollars? Isn’t it worth a little kiss on the ass?
ME: Well maybe, if it is legit, but…
JOHN: Then come kiss Hank’s ass with us.
ME: Do you kiss Hank’s ass often?
MARY: Oh yes, all the time…
ME: And has he given you a million dollars?
JOHN: Well no, you don’t actually get the money until you leave town.
ME: So why don’t you just leave town now?
MARY: You can’t leave until Hank tells you to or you don’t get the money; and he kicks the shit out of you.
ME: Do you know anyone who kissed Hank’s ass, left town, and got the million dollars?
JOHN: My mother kissed Hank’s ass for years. She left town last year and I’m sure she got the money.
ME: Haven’t you talked to her since then?
JOHN: Of course not, Hank doesn’t allow it.
ME: So what makes you think he will actually give you the money if you have never talked to anyone who got the money?
MARY: Well, he gives you a little bit before you leave. Maybe you will get a raise; maybe you will win a small lotto; maybe you will just find a twenty dollar bill on the street.
ME: What does that got to do with Hank?
JOHN: Hank has certain…connections.
ME: I’m sorry but this sounds like some sort of bizarre con game.
JOHN: But it IS a million dollars. Can you really take the chance? And remember, if you DON’T kiss Hank’s ass he will kick the shit out of you.
ME: Maybe if I could see Hank; talk to him; get the details straight from him… MARY: No one sees Hank. No one talks to Hank.
ME: Then how do you kiss his ass?
JOHN: Sometimes we just blow him a kiss and think of his ass. Other times we kiss Karl’s ass, and he passes it on.
ME: Who is Karl?
MARY: A friend of ours. He’s the one who taught us all about kissing Hank’s ass. All we had to do was take him out to dinner a few times.
ME: And you just took his word for it when he said there was a Hank, that Hank wanted you to kiss his ass, and that Hank would reward you?
JOHN: Oh no! Karl has got a letter Hank sent him years ago explaining the whole thing. Here ia a copy; see for yourself.John handed me a photocopy of a handwritten memo on - From the desk of Karl - letterhead. There were eleven items listed:
- Kiss Hank’s ass and he will give you a million dollars when you leave town.
- Use alcohol in moderation.
- Kick the shit out of people who are not like you.
- Eat right.
- Hank dictated this list himself.
- The moon is made of green cheese.
- Everything Hank says is right.
- Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.
- Do not drink.
- Eat your wieners on buns, no condiments.
- Kiss Hank’s ass or he will kick the shit out of you.
ME: This would appear to be written on Karl’s Letterhead.
MARY: Hank did not have any paper.
ME: I have a hunch that if we checked we would find this is Karl’s handwriting.
JOHN: Of course, Hank dictated it.
ME: I thought you said no one gets to see Hank?
MARY: Not now; but years ago he would talk to some people.
ME: I thought you said he was a philanthropist. What sort of philanthropist kicks the shit out of people just because they are different?
MARY: It’s what Hank wants; and Hank is always right.
ME: How do you figure that?
MARY: Item 7 says - Everything Hanks says is right.- That’s good enough for me!
ME: Maybe your friend Karl just made the whole thing up.
JOHN: No way! Item 5 says, - Hank dictated this list himself.- Besides, item 2 says, - Use alcohol in moderation. - Item 4 says, - Eat right. - And item 8 says, - Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.- Everyone knows *those* things are right; so the rest must be true, too.
ME: But 9 says, - Do not Drink. - which does not quite go with item 2. And 6 says, - The moon is made of green cheese. - which is just plain wrong.
JOHN: There is no contradiction between 9 and 2. 9 just clarifies 2. As far as 6 goes, you have never been to the moon; so you cannot say for sure.
ME: Scientists have pretty firmly established that the moon is made of rock…
MARY: But they do not know if the rock came from the Earth, or from out of space, so it could just as easily be green cheese.
ME: I am not really an expert but I think the theory that the Moon came from the Earth has been discounted. Besides, not knowing *where* the rock came from doesn’t mean it *could* be green cheese rather than rock.
JOHN: Aha! You just admitted that scientists make mistakes, but we know Hank is always right!
ME: We do?
MARY: Of course we do, Item 5 says so.
ME: So, you’re saying that Hank is always right because the list says so; the list is right because Hank dictated it; and we know that Hank dictated it because the list says so.
JOHN: Now you’re getting it! It’s so rewarding to see someone come around to Hank’s way of thinking.
ME: But…Oh, never mind. What’s the deal with the wieners? Mary blushes.
JOHN: Wieners: in buns, no condiments. It’s Hank’s way. Anything else is wrong.
ME: What if I don’t have a bun?
JOHN: No bun, no wiener. A wiener without a bun is wrong.
ME: No relish? No Mustard? Mary looks positively stricken.
JOHN: (shouting): There’s no need for such language! Condiments of any kind are wrong!
ME: So a big pile of sauerkraut with some wieners chopped up in it would be out of the question?
MARY: (sticking her fingers in her ears): I am not listening to this! La la la, la la, la la la…..
JOHN: That is disgusting. Only some sort of evil deviant would eat that…
ME: But it is good! I eat it all the time.
Mary faints. John catches her
JOHN: Well, if I had known you were one of THOSE, I wouldn’t have wasted my time. When Hank kicks the shit out of you, I want to be there.